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[5 minutes to read] Plus: Investor Eric Soda on conviction, Nvidia, and more
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Today, we're chatting with Eric Soda, an individual investor who has held stocks like Nvidia and Apple for years, about his investing process, conviction, and more.
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Two Way Street: Life and Investing with Eric Soda
Investor, author and business owner Eric Soda
A big regret of many elite investors? Selling their best-performing stocks too early.
The same holds for Eric Soda, an author, entrepreneur, and individual investor in Wisconsin who owns a large insurance agency. It was 2008, sometime during the financial crisis, when Soda made his first major investment mistake. He had done the hard work, buying Microsoft during days of panic, but he sold his entire position after he doubled his money.
The experience was painful ā Microsoft has trounced the S&P 500 since then, compounding at nearly 30% annually ā but Soda says he learned an invaluable lesson that has become the cornerstone of his investment philosophy: often, doing nothing is the best decision. Let winners ride.
āIt was a big mistake,ā Soda recalls. āI should still have those initial shares. Obviously, it took some luck, but I think the discipline I learned from my Microsoft goof-up has helped me immensely. Iām glad it happened because I was still young, and itās helped me. Thatās why starting early and maintaining a long-term view is so powerful.ā
Soda says heās applied the lesson to his steadfast conviction behind stocks like Apple and Nvidia, which heās held for years as they keep climbing higher. Below, Soda also shares his journey from self-taught investor and entrepreneur ā he never graduated college ā to other life lessons, including his days as a firefighter. This interview has been edited lightly for brevity and clarity.
To start, tell us when you first became interested in investing. What drew you in?
At 17, the whole industry wowed me. I read the WSJ and Barrons in paper form because there wasnāt much on the internet. I just started reading and self-educating, because I never went to college. I started my insurance business and taught myself how to run it.
After high school, while building your insurance business, you were also a paid-on-call firefighter who fought fires and pulled people out of car wrecks.
It was one of the highlights of my life. I think about doing that and the things I saw and did every day. It gives you a perspective that you canāt get any other way. I always wanted to be a firefighter ā two of my grandparents, my dad, and two of my uncles all were once firefighters. I was always fascinated by it. Itās an eye-opening experience with adrenaline. Going into a burning building? Nothing ever comes close to that.
Tell us about your growing newsletter, Spilled Coffee ā including why you launched it ā and its mission.
Like many people, I reflected on life during the pandemic: What am I doing? What do I want? Where am I going? I wrote my book during the pandemic and thought about how investing in businesses has been my love since I was a teenager. I wanted to relay what Iāve learned to other individual investors. I wanted to create something that would benefit my 17-year-old self.
Wednesdayās newsletter is business-related or personal, while on Saturday, I do an investing update into my core principles, data, charts, research, and what Iām noticing. I donāt manage money for anyone other than myself, and I donāt work for a research firm, so I can share what I see.
Why did you write your book, Two-Way Street?
I wanted to pass something on and share my knowledge with others. I did a lot of public talks about my path, and this was a way to be sure what I wanted to say could be sharedānot just about business but also the life side of it. Many only cared or asked about the business side. The balance is the key. Having both is vital, allowing you to be successful in business and life.
People would ask me how I built my insurance agency. Whatās the secret sauce? So I wrote to relay everything I know in book form, where I can be precise with the language and message.
Letās talk investing: What are some of your core holdings?
My two biggest positions are Apple and Nvidia. I bought Apple in 2014 for around $20 per share, split-adjusted. So when I bought Apple in 2014, I applied what I had learned from the Microsoft mistake and didnāt sell it after it doubled, then doubled again. I still own it and have let Apple keep running.
I bought Nvidia in 2022 and havenāt sold any shares. Iām just going to let it run. I believe Apple and Nvidia are among the best stocks weāve seen in our lifetime.
You bought Apple in 2014, about two years before Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett.
Well, he had a lot more zeroes on his buys. Look, itās a great company. But there will eventually be another āMagnificent 7,ā and the question is always, who will it be? I think two of the names I own will be a part of it: Crowdstrike and Uber. The other five? I havenāt figured that out. Thatās the fun part; thatās the challenge.
Nvidia was cut in half in 2022. What made you interested in owning it then?
The 2022 drawdown was pretty steep, and I kept buying more as it went down. At one point, I got tired of getting cut by a falling knife, so I stopped buying shares, but I waited and waited. Itās set more all-time highs within the last week or so.
Nvidia rose a lot in 2020 and 2021 amid the gaming revolution; more recently, itās been artificial intelligence. I think theyāre a step ahead of everybody in AI, and until that story changes, thatās my core thesis.
If you look at certain metrics, itās arguably no more expensive than it was a couple of years ago.
Some investors compare it to Cisco, which surged in the 1990s and then cratered. Itās not even close to that, in my view. I think people who call Nvidia the next Cisco are the same people who think weāre in a recession.
How would you describe your investment research and decision-making process?
It starts with reading a lot of books, looking at a lot of charts and data, and just learning as much as I can. I usually hold between eight and 12 stocks, so I am highly convinced.
I looked at buying Lululemon, but I donāt own it. For that stock, I visited a Lululemon store and talked to the employees and managers to get a pulse of what was happening. Thatās where I saw things werenāt trending in the right direction. I think the boots-on-the-ground stuff can help.
Years ago, I visited Apple stores to get a pulse. Home Depot, too. Sometimes, employees will tell you what theyāre seeing, whether theyāre hiring, how busy they are, etc. Thatās been extremely helpful to me. Itās not the only thing you should do, but itās part of the process. The telltale sign is often: Are they busy?
You like to own between eight and 12 stocks. Whatās your ideal time horizon?
I like to buy companies that will increase by at least 100%. I ask: Does this stock have the ability to double? But for the most part, I try to hold businesses as long as possible unless the story changes. With Apple and Nvidia, I donāt think theyāll go up forever, but until their fundamentals change, Iām holding. For instance, people have been saying Appleās best days are behind it for the past five or 10 years, yet it keeps going.
What books have resonated with you?
Your piece ā50 Awesome Thingsā was a nice reminder to enjoy the rewards of our life and investing. Why did you write that?
Many good things happen daily that we donāt even think about. Itās easy to get caught up in the bad or the noise. People replied to me, noting which pieces resonated most: coffee, seeing a friend in person for the first time in a while, laughing so hard that you cry, and witnessing pure joy on my kidsā faces.
What is one of the kindest things someone has done for you?
I have a friend who knows Iām a huge Buffalo Bills fan. When they were replacing the turf at the Bills stadium, he got a 1āx1ā piece in a memorabilia case and sent it to me. It hangs in my office next to my signed Jim Kelly jersey. It was a very cool gesture of friendship.
Anything else youād like to share or add?
Invest how you want to invest. Not how someone on TV does or how a book tells you to. Buy what you want to buy. Sell when you want and to sell. If you donāt want to sell, then donāt sell. Let your winners ride.
Treat yourself. Celebrate accomplishments and successes. I go for breakfast every Wednesday morning at my favorite breakfast place to publish my Wednesday piece. I take my family out for dinner on Saturday to publish my Saturday piece. It holds me accountable. For other big wins, celebrations, or sales, take the time to celebrate with your family.
Dive deeper
For more, check out Ericās investing newsletter, Spilled Coffee, for his insights and ideas on business and investing, or read his book, Two-Way Street.
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